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| Topic Started: Jun 25 2009, 03:31 PM (222 Views) | |
| xXDeaths_sShadowXx | Jun 25 2009, 03:31 PM Post #1 |
 
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What are your thoughts, personal experiences, and your views on legalization? I've done my fair share of research regarding the topic, I've even written a couple papers on ways to tax the herb for medical use, as opposed to using synthetic THC pills. Point being, I know my shit, and I'm too lazy to write out the typical FAQ guide. Ask about me about anything you think is a myth, or just anything you would like to find out, and chances are, I have an answer. Fire away, I'll be standing by with Reptar, my bong. |
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| Nubi | Jun 25 2009, 08:19 PM Post #2 |
 
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Heroes don't need super powers! Well, just because I did some reading doesn't mean I fully understand this... For starters, why did you start using? And did you actually name your bong, or is that like... a brand/type? XD |
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| PainWhisper | Jun 25 2009, 08:35 PM Post #3 |
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Lol there are no brands of bongs, there are just.. bongs. About Cannabis itself, I can't talk, since I never tried it. I can however answer the question "Why did you start using?" » In my case, I was curious to see what it felt like, being high. From there on, I kept consuming because it felt good, and it's just overall a good flow, it's something enjoyable, something you can do to be in peace with the world, it really works. I don't consume when I'm alone, because I have no need, but when our cicle of friends is all together and we're at someone's house, we'll just sit around a room, someone will play a guitar, we'll talk, sing, do whatever we want. It does feel good. |
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| Maelstrom | Jun 26 2009, 02:44 AM Post #4 |
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From what little I know, it seems to be better for you than tobacco. I've been around some people who've smoked it and the effects don't seem to be all that different from getting drunk. Meh, as far as I can tell, it's a conservative agenda against the unfamiliar and the whole thing of how the church is against 'drugs.' |
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| Bronnen | Jun 26 2009, 04:10 AM Post #5 |
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Come to Canada then, it's partially legalized here. |
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| xXDeaths_sShadowXx | Jun 26 2009, 02:58 PM Post #6 |
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Well, for one, its much different then being drunk. Alcohol is a lot worse for the body. Putting both tobacco and cannabis side to side can't really be done because they both work completely differently. Cannabis is actually worse for you in terms of gram per gram compared to tobacco. Cannabis is usually kinda bred to have more resin, which contains more THC. What THC does, is release into the bloodstream and interrupt signals you normally get from your body, for example, as a person you're used to everything being routine when it comes to feelings like taste, touch, and smell. Imagine feeling everything in waves as opposed to just having it happen simultaneously. When Cannaboids enter the body they space out nerve signals giving you the ability to really focus on every feeling your body responds to. You feel relaxed in any position, as if you could just lay anywhere and just enjoy the moment.The body actually has Cannaboid receptors that produce that euphoric feeling, these receptors are found in most animals, so, as you could guess, people can get their pets stoned too. I actually had a ferret who loved to smoke, I would take a hit without letting the carb go and he would just crawl in the bong and just lay there until the smoke cleared. They say one joint is the same as smoking 5 cigarettes, but if you have some ridiculous dank, then we could cut that down to a bowl to do the same job. Point being, I could go into it but I'm about to have some sour diesel, and I'd rather be sober when I post. ;) |
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| Setoshin | Jun 28 2009, 10:02 PM Post #7 |
 
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I'm torn on whether cannibis should be legalised. For one I've always had a fear of mental illness so I would never take Cannabis. Cannabis is proven to be linked to schizophrenia, anxiety and maniac depression. I mean, I'd hate to have a combination of those types of illness. Plus it has also been linked to cancer. Although its not as cancerous as other substances, it still is a dangerous contributing factor. Even relatively moderate usage of cannabis over a prolonged time has been linked to mental illnesses and cancer. So ultimately, cannabis is NOT good for you biologically. However, alcohol has the exact same effects if abused. Also tabbacco is well documented to cause cancer as well. And alcohol can also be detrimental to mental health and can cause cancer. But both cannabis and alcohol are legal. I find this hyprocritical. If three substances which have the same effects exist but only two of them are legal, then this is ridicolous. Either you ban them all or allow them. The only reason alcohol is legal is because its endeared to society. Culturally alcohol is important for socialising and for events. Now if weed were to adopt that status and be received better by the wider society instead of a few stoned minorities then it'd be legalised. Now on a personal level, I don't believe people should take in substances that are detrimental to their bodies. That's why I don't drink or take drugs. I want to be in control of my mind. I can't see the point in getting drunk or high. I mean who'd want to take in something that'd reduce their control of a given situation? Despite that I wouldn't illegalise cannabis or alcohol. To each their own. I mean what I believe shouldn't in theory impact on what any does. If you want to take alcohol or cannabis, go ahead. Not my business. |
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| Nubi | Jun 28 2009, 10:48 PM Post #8 |
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Heroes don't need super powers! Setoshin makes a good point. I can agree with his entire post... scary. I don't really think cannabis should be legal. But at the same time I don't think the people using should be persecuted if they haven't done anything criminal under the influence. Much like with alcohol. Drinking it is fine, getting drunk is fine, driving while drunk or streaking across someone's lawn is not fine. So I'm rather unsure about it. It shouldn't be legalised because this is society. Society is already messed up enough. It's probably wrong that I associate 'low-life' with stoner but my mind connects the two. I try to unlink them, knowing there are perfectly decent people that get high. I hate putting everyone into one category and judging. But the people I've met that get high are going nowhere in life. Jail, drop outs, trying to sell it in the shop room at school, rehab, repeat. That's what I've seen. On the other hand it is debatable that some of the greatest songs came from the minds of artists that were high. So even though my mind makes that aforementioned connection I try to break it. Honestly, I just can't agree with getting high. But I wouldn't try and stop random people, or try to get them into trouble with the school or authorities. It's their choice. Anyway, cannabis is currently illegal and it doesn't stop most people from doing it. It really wouldn't effect me if it were legal. I just feel that would be taking a step towards degrading society. I have mixed feelings. |
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| PainWhisper | Jun 28 2009, 10:50 PM Post #9 |
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Cellphones cause brain tumours if you spend too much time using them. Headphones can make you deaf if you listen to it for long periods. Meat is said to increase violence in people that consume it too raw or in too big quantities. If you eat too much fried food, your colesterol will blow up. If you eat too much sweets, your teeth can rott and you can go diabetic. The point is, in excess, everything can hurt you. I don't smoke weed on a regular basis, nor do I drink or smoke on a regular basis. I drink alcohol in birthday parties, or at concerts. I get high like, three, four times a month, at most. I meet up with my friends almost every day, and we rarely smoke weed at all. And I smoke cigars when I feel like it, this is, one cigar per week. And these numbers aren't even set in stone, when I'm on vacation, I go for months without smoking (weed included) or drinking, and it doesn't affect me at all. |
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| Bronnen | Jun 29 2009, 12:51 AM Post #10 |
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Technically Tobacco doesn't do anything to you. It's just a harmless plant that gets smoked and doesn't have any affect on you, it's what they put in cigarettes that kill you and make them addictive. There's Nicotine, Tar, Cyanide, Arsenic, and a whole host of other things in Cigarettes. That's why people who roll their own cigarettes or smoke pipes don't get lung cancer (well, not from the crap that's put in them anyway,. anything that's smoked can cause cancer. Almost all things when are burned release carcinogens. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I was pretty sure this was a the case) |
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| Setoshin | Jun 29 2009, 10:02 AM Post #11 |
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Of course you can get cancer from rolling your own cigarettes or smoke pipes. God, I used to know one of my Grandfather's friends who when kicked the bucket from smoking. He used to have his own old fashioned pipe too. In fact tobbacco is cancerous. Both processed and natural tobbacco contain carcinogens. Although the possibility of getting cancer from 'pure' tobbacco is lower than if smoking processed cigarettes, the probability of developing cancer is increased upon usage. In addition 'pure' tobbacco is also linked to oral deterioation and heart ailments. I mean just to provide an anecdote, my mother who grew up in the Caribbean (the birthplace of tobbacco and unfortunately an area that does consume weed prevalently, although in the eastern parts it has decreased) remembers vividly scenes of older people huddling around together smoking a joint or rolled up tobbacco. She also observed that virtually all of them had quite severe oral ailments and were always complaining about their 'chest'. Also if you need further proof that cannabis is dangerous, take a look at these: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7150274.stm And also, perhaps a somewhat personal one of mine involves a childhood friend of mine who took a more potent version of cannabis called 'skunk'. Basically it drove him schizophrenic and he went and killed someone based due to influence from his video-game (subsequently provoking a national debate on violent video games). Here's the link: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-446318/Boy-skunk-cannabis-butchered-grandmother.html |
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| xXDeaths_sShadowXx | Jun 29 2009, 01:48 PM Post #12 |
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You guys are funny as fuck I'll give you that. Lol Listen, anything burned and inhaled as smoke will be bad for your lungs whether you care or not. THC is actually proven to slow or stop cancerous tumor growth. Just respect your substances, you have to understand that everything has its risks, I myself actually have a history of mental illness in my family. Nothing is good for you in excess, Cannabis is no exception. Quite simply legalization is what we are heading torward. In the US somewhere around 32 billion is made in underground revenue, while we spend 11 billion on people prosecuted solely on possession charges. If you let your fear of a substance change your opinion on the substance itself then you're an idiot. Use a Vape. Herbal vaporizers heat the bud to a point where the thc does not burn, but releases itself into vapor, which is inhaled through a tube in most cases. Its alot more efficent and it saves you the medical worries. Learn about it, Cannabis has had more of a positive influence on the world then most of what you believe in. ;) Oh, and for the record Cannabis is not addictive. At all. So, sorry to burst your bubble but, rehab for Cannabis? For smoking Ganja? Bud? Thats just ridiculous, if you honestly become that physchologically dependant on something that has no addictive properties then you're a very weak minded individual. No matter how you cut it. This is not heroine, or a gateway drug for those who honestly want to try pulling that out. Weak people use excuses to solve their problems, even if that excuse includes outdated information that was never true in the first place. I've come to so many realizations on my own by smoking Cannabis and Salvia. I've experienced Ego Death. I've figured out the answer to all the questions I have ever asked myself. I meditate, alot. I can lucid dream, and thats how I control my salvia trips. I've felt things you wouldnt even believe. The state of conscienceness you can achieve by simply focusing on your surroundings is amazing. Seeing everything from that third person perspective is something you will never be able to do again after you've already been accustomed to your surroundings. Cannabis opens your eyes and invites you to look around, and find comfort in everything around you. If you smoke simply for that usual high then you're a waste of bud in my opinion. Cannabis provides a much less intense version of Ego Death in some ways, while if I honestly want to take a spiritual journey, then salvia is my choice. I dont do any of this to escape trivial shit, I do it to find myself and to find comfort with the simplest of things. I'm a responsible person, I'm quite the local legend as far as being a musician goes, I've even had the sponsors to prove it. Chances are I'm already making more then most people with college degrees just by playing and writing music in my spare time. I'm no drop out, I'm no addict, and I'm no fool either. I'm 5,11 I wear alot of flannel and I have dreads that are past my shoulder blades, and I'm reasonably built thanks to MMA. I'm out going and respectful to everyone no matter who they are. I dont deal with drama, simply because people know better then to disrespect me, that , and I give them no reason to. Now honestly, what stereotype of a stoner do I fit in with? Edited by xXDeaths_sShadowXx, Jun 29 2009, 02:37 PM.
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| Maelstrom | Jun 29 2009, 01:59 PM Post #13 |
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Heh, I can see it from Nubi's point of view, because I used to think the same way too. Hell, I even thought the Prohibition had the right idea. Thing is, we should be free to hurt ourselves, if we think it'll make us happy. It crosses the line if we hurt others. So yeah, it should be like being under the influence of alcohol. Certain activites should be avoided when stoned/baked/whatever. Specialty places will crop up, the stoner's version of the local pub. As it is, people will get high anyways. Lol, it's not illegal to be high, only illegal to possess. A friend of mine who is incredibly intelligent smokes it and has done his research, says that mj helps out your lungs and has other beneficial effects. Of the people I've seen and been with who have smoked, they're not the epitome of degenerates, but 'normal' people. It really looks something like being drunk, but more calm. |
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| PainWhisper | Jun 29 2009, 02:13 PM Post #14 |
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Vape? I never heard about that.. I mean, I know about "Chicha" (Don't know how to call it in english, it's used by arabs etc ->Image) If it's the same, then nevermind about it. If not, please do elaborate on that. Also, I did some research. Do you guys know that apparently, caffeine is considered a stimulative drug? Jyeah. Nubi, you junkie :> |
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| xXDeaths_sShadowXx | Jun 29 2009, 02:40 PM Post #15 |
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I edited that post by the way, and caffiene is not something I fuck with. I dont really believe in coffee. |
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