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| Proving Evolution WRONG; Can it be? | |
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| Topic Started: Oct 1 2006, 12:36 AM (935 Views) | |
| Nubi | Oct 1 2006, 12:36 AM Post #1 |
 
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Proving Evolution IS Wrong Firstly, how can a creature with a completely different skeletal structure completely evolve, even over time, into another being entirely? What did other animals of today evolve from? What will we evolve into next? When was the last time you've seen an animal evolve???? For as long as most of us can remember, as well as our ancestors and their ancestor's ancestors, we've only seen a species duplicate rather then signifigantly evolve. There HAS been rumors of a type of fish evolving into... a similar type of fish. Though has this been proven? And a lot of fish look alike, at least I have trouble telling fish apart... Secondly: Science IS based on observations. That true statement contradicts any beliefs that the Theory of Evolution is based on 'science' Along with that simple peice of information is a bit of back up. Because I was not around for YOUR birth then I must say you weren't born. That is a bit how science works, I didn't see it so I ain't gunna believe it. But you have documents, papers and proof that you WERE born. So I suppose I will believe. Evolution does not have such evidence. This is just like my George Washington counter. None of us living today saw George Washington, our first president, hero in war, and over all famous person. None of us living today ever saw Jesus, the famous fellow who died on the cross for our sins, lord and savior. BUT George Washington is written about in every standard American history book throughout schools. No one would dare say that Washignton is a myth and some made up guy. No. But Jesus is in every Bible, made up of letters and writings by those who had SEEN him and touched him before AND AFTER he died. What do you suppose those text books are made up of? Letters, journal entries, and writings by many of the people around during that time when Washington was. Yet not quite as many people who believe in Washington believe in Jesus. Moving on, back to evolution.
The quote and many statements I have made about evolution defying science and how it is wrong are taken from various sites, including this one: TrueAuthority Article A cached version of the page, the facts by Dave Nutting. Other, long, drawn out proof can be found HERE -Nubi |
"I'm sure that there is no meaning in this world... But isn't that great? That means you can find your own." - Felicia (Sora no Woto)
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| Ashura | Oct 1 2006, 01:41 AM Post #2 |
How many H's are in phunk?
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Now, you've stated that everything here must be stated in a respectful manner, but then again evolutionist isn't a religion (or at least yet
:rolleyes: ) but just seems like a ridiculous idea, "oh, That land looks like fun, i think i'll just grow a pair of Freakin' legs" much like in the vice versa case of the "missing link" in the land/sea animal evolution chain, the coelacanth, if ya dont know what it is, google it. Something that caught my attention was your comparison of George Washington and Jesus, the fact that people beleive in GW as opposed to JC is, simple, beleiveablility, is it easy to understand that some dude led an army to victory, and became president? yeah, sure, now, try and say some dude came back from the dead and is now our savior, you can see ones logic in atheism. (sidenote: does atheism reffer only to christianity, or religion as a whole?) |
  
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| Nubi | Oct 1 2006, 01:50 AM Post #3 |
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Religion as a whole: Belief that there is no God or gods. You do have a point about the Jesus Christ & George Washington comparison. But that doesn't change the fact that Evolution goes against science, even though it is based on science... And fellow, be courteous to all religions & BELIEFS. A belief is a person's view on something about anything. In this area, refrain from cursing. |
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| the cheater | Oct 1 2006, 08:34 PM Post #4 |
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I believe evolution is seriously messed up, but it has some crackpots gratification. I beleive[meaning not sure] that it was based off of two things. First being the gorrila, and the human. The second being a fish with legs. there is also a two cell and/or chromosome difference between humans and apes. So i think it spawned form that. it is also possible that each of the evoleing species, originated from different germs. Like ones that live in water, evoleed from phytoplankton or even zooplankton. And animals that live on land, are from land originally. And the onesin air, are fom high altitude areas. That was just a random thought, so don't hold me by it.There is also the possibility, that humans and such were never meant to be. On the george washington thing, i have to agree with ashura. it is alot more believable. Also he is clearly documented, and his body is in a graveyard in some crackheads back yard. But jesus or any other religious figure could have been the product of an over active imagination. Seriously i could create thousands of god, with stories and stuff if needed. |
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| Nubi | Oct 1 2006, 09:24 PM Post #5 |
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Aye, we all could. But try to mass distribute it. Try to get BILLIONS to believe it, try to back it with eye witnesses. There were famous stories from the age of the Revolutionary War, but they have not lasted, we know not of them. But the Bible, even as a fantasy tale, has survived the many years, the MANY years, and has made it's way into the hearts of many. Let's say it ISN'T real, as many believe. But it is IS something to believe in. It gives you something to love, something to have faith in, something to follow, something to build morals on. Even IF it is all made up. |
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| Linty | Oct 1 2006, 10:30 PM Post #6 |
Would you like fries with that?
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No one can argue about the general demeanor of Christians either. If you could chose to spend a year with Vlad Dracul or a bunch of Christians, I think the choice is rather obvious. My point is, is that Christians generally tend to lead the better life. From that alone, it proves that parts of the Bible are true, from historical marks, the Bible is proven true. Everything that has been tested from the Bible has been proven true. Derived from these facts, I've decided that the Bible is just as credible as a book on George Washington. Also, we all believe Mohammed (The famous one) really existed, right? There are historical facts to prove this, written documents and witnesses. I'm curious as to why people will believe Mohammed was real, but not Jesus. There is all the same evidence that Jesus was real, written documents, eye-witnesses, historical facts. They are both religious figures, they both claimed something very ridiculuous things, and they were both supposedly alive a very long time ago. (Jesus 0-33 A.D., Mohammed 500 AD?) Yet people have no trouble believing that Mohammed existed, but Jesus was never real. Why are people so hellbent on proving Christianity wrong but none have an inhuman drive to prove Islam wrong? I believe that answer is in the Bible, actually, I just can't remember how the verse goes =S. Back to Evolution. It is way too far-fetched of a 'Science' for me to put any credibility into it, what-so-ever. People may confuse the Creationism theory for science, but it is not. However, they claim evolution to be science, but it clearly contradicts the most most imperative rule of science: being able to measure, observe, and repeat something. If you want to look at Christianity on a more selfish side: What is there to lose? Say Christianity is correct, have fun in hell...for eternity. Pretend it's wrong, OMG! We might be turned into a frog, or a cow, or have our life just end, knowing we lead a good one, and had strong morals. There's way more to lose from Christianity when you don't believe than there is with other religions, and yet so much more to gain when you are a Christian if you're beliefs were right. I was at a school retreat from Wednesday through Friday and I have acquired some very insightful knowledge from it. A kid in my class's father just recently died. At this camp, we had a bondfire, and everyone could stand up and share with the whole Middleschool what they thought God was trying to tell them through recent experiences. This boy stood up and said something along the lines of "No matter what happens, we should always keep faith in the Lord. He's shown me that He has a purpose for everything, no matter how hard it may be for us, it will strengthen me in the end. I've realised that earth is not our final destination, and even when things start going downhill, to push on, because we'll all be together in the end." That's a very strong testimony. If you've ever lost something, I can't imagine how much of a comforting hell it must be to know that he'll have to go through another 70 years without a father, but when he dies, he'll be with him forever. Forever is a word that scares me. Never ending, infinite, eternity...you get the idea. It won't ever end. This statement is one thing that has pushed me farther away from evolution. Do I really want to go through infinite suffering in hell, or an eternity in paradise? Before I became a Christian, my thoughts were always "Well even if hell is real, I'm sure I would get used to it eventually, and Heaven probably isn't that great anyway, it would get boring." From reading the Bible, I found just how dead-wrong (no pun intended) I was. IN conclusion to my massive post, there is comfort in everything when you turn to Christianity, and evolution is a bogus scientific theory. One that could never be proven correct, ever. |
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| Nubi | Oct 2 2006, 12:30 AM Post #7 |
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Exactly my point, Linty! If God is real, which I believe He is, then you are Heaven bound, that alone is enough to convince a non believer to beleive. Because just as you said: forever, infinity, eternity, life times of life times beyonds a million life times you'll be doomed in the fire of hell, with demons clawing at you, turning you into them, and Satan ruling you, forever slaves to the brimstone of hell. Worst of all... there is the absense of God and no longer do you have a choice to Fellowship with him. BUT, if you believe and God IS real then you live for eternity in Paradise, forever in happiness, Heaven a world where you are always content and joy fills you. What isn't wonderful about that!? If God isn't real, Hell isn't real, Heaven isn't real then that's cool. You might have decieved, but you lived a life of happiness, good, fellowshipping, being with people like you (or a bit like you) and having tough morals. You got to do good and make yourself feel good by witnessing to others and succesfully leading them into a similiar faith as you.
What a brave fellow. But that is a perfect example to use for my next bit. It takes strength, bravery and courage to believe and have Faith in some greater, higher power. (God for instance) Without a belief or a faith one is weak and typically without hope. What kind of life is that to live? To not have anything to live for? It would even be better to have faith in yourself then nothing at all. But even greater if you had a God to believe in. A God that you knew would be there 24/7 everyday of your life and after life to be a friend and listen to your problems, congradulate you in your success and mourn with you in your Sorrows. Yet be able to speak to you in such sorrows and his words rejuvenate you and you feel a bit better then you did before. Doesn't the thought of a friend who will always be there, always listen, and always have the right thing to say make you feel better, safer? Edit in: And good god, Linty, that bit about Mohammed the Prophet... Makes no sense at all why people oppose Jesus and not the fellow who was taken into Heaven by a divine light over Jerusalem. Meh, the world is strange. |
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| Kitty | Oct 2 2006, 04:05 PM Post #8 |
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I had to study Islam in school a couple of years back. Not as a religious study, but more as a what are their belieifs? Ok that's nice, now, moving on to the next unit. Mohammed (pbuh) is slightly more believable because he was a great prophet. Not the son of God. The idea of having an omniscient entity with something like a son, and from a virgin, is rather hard to swallow for alot of people. Mohammed was born via the usual processes, and he grew up, joined a trading caravan working for a woman who'd inherited the business from her last husband and he eventually marreid her, they had kids. etc. Mohammed had descendants. He was a normal person that God chose to speak to. Perhaps since there are solid facts about him and he was written about by both his enemies and his followers, hes more believable. I don't think Jesus was ever written about by the Romans. (please don't qoute me on that, I'm not a Christian. Least, not a practising one anyway.) |
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| the cheater | Oct 3 2006, 02:16 AM Post #9 |
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she has a point. And i think the romans did. Roman catholic, pope all that. But don't hold me to that, i know nothing. * grabs gernade* *pulls pin* *shouts freedom* *eats gernade* *Goes BOOM* That was another random peice of shite by me. |
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| Linty | Oct 3 2006, 05:02 PM Post #10 |
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Yeah, that is true, Kitty... None-the-less, there are so many more people out to kill the Christian religion, while not as many are bent on proving Islam false. I don't know much about Islam, but I know it makes some outrageous claims, just like Christianity. Both take much faith to believe, but I'd rather reap the rewards of Christianity's life-after-death over Islam's...If they're the ones who believe in reincarnation... I need to do some more research. |
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| Setoshin | Oct 3 2006, 10:23 PM Post #11 |
 
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So what you believe is that it's perfectly logical for a man to spring up out of the ground then create a woman from a man's ribs and then have two sons, with no other female except their own mother to screw and yet have an estimated 6 billion humans on earth right now? Yep that's definitely more logical than evolution. |
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| the cheater | Oct 3 2006, 10:31 PM Post #12 |
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Definately. |
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| Ring-Ling | Oct 3 2006, 10:44 PM Post #13 |
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The paradox in this debate is that there can be no way to prove the other false. Where one has logic, the other has faith. Both have missing links in their stories, and some chapters of this tale have much to be answered. Scientists are unable to prove any further than they have already that evolution is true. The same can be said for religion. Any religion, in fact. Texts and images of a man on food items is not enough to prove the other false. |
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| the cheater | Oct 3 2006, 10:53 PM Post #14 |
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^ it's perfectly explained, by him. Where the fraks the bow emote. |
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| Linty | Oct 4 2006, 01:03 AM Post #15 |
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Religion is not derived from logic, it's derived from faith. Science is derived from logic. Although evolution may be logical to the blind eye, it is not science. I have said a million times, and will say again: Science MUST be measurable, observable, and repeatable, this is the foundation of science. Withouth this rule, science would be terribly distorted. Let's look at evolution. It has never, ever, ever, ever, EVER been observed, by anyone. It has not be recorded to be observed, it has not been physically observed, it has not be currently seen as being observed by anyone, simply, it has not been observed, period. If evolution were true, it would continue, and through being continued, it would be observed. Since all science must have all three of these vital aspects, evolution is not science. Tell me, Seto and Cheater, how evolution is logical. Is it logical for something to come out of nothing? That's what evolution says. Is it logical for a cell to accidently mutate so many times, we've gotten where we are today? "The atheist/agnostic team found to their disbelief that it is 1 chance in 10 to the 40,000th power years just for one cell to evolve.", JUST ONE CELL! Ladies and gentlemen, the amount of cells in the human body is inumerable. There are far too many flaws and missing links (Seriously, literally) for it to be logical, AT ALL. Jesus was observed. However, because he has not been repeated, nor could he ever been measured, in any way, he cannot be considered science, MANY agree with that. How can someone call themselves a "Man of Science" and believe in evolution? Simply, they cannot. God can do anything, he is a devine being...Anything[/], Seto. |
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