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| What religion are you. | |
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| Topic Started: Sep 26 2006, 01:01 AM (1,153 Views) | |
| Nubi | Jan 12 2009, 11:10 PM Post #91 |
 
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Having two Sims can be quite frustrating... but imagine controlling BILLIONS at once. :/ I don't believe God controls our lives. To each their own. Like I said, I think people put way too much thought into religion and God. It is a big step to decide what you think of the matter. But hey, in my opinion, God is a father that never stops caring, a friend that will always listen, a wall to lean against, and a source of strength when you are feeling weak. |
"I'm sure that there is no meaning in this world... But isn't that great? That means you can find your own." - Felicia (Sora no Woto)
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| Kyagh | May 31 2009, 06:41 PM Post #92 |
 
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Edited... Darn the old video was a very good collection of arguments.... oh well i guess I'll swap it with this: Playlist Edited by Kyagh, Jun 1 2009, 01:38 PM.
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What are christians praying for? 10 Signs you're a foundamental christians Confession of a former christian A discussion between an atheist and a christian What if all atheists left america An atheist interview What if you're wrong? <- epic | |
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| Maelstrom | Jun 1 2009, 09:22 AM Post #93 |
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Well, since technically god is omnipotent and omnipresent and all powerful, it seems well within his technical abilities to be there for everybody, singularly. As the christians would say, that's lowering god to our limited capabilities. We can't understand all that god does. That's giving him human limitations and characteristics, like the other vengeful bullshit he did in the old testament. *roll eyes* btw, link is to a vid removed by owner/uploader. |
Team1 Atheists, agnostics, and theists aren't all that different: Atheists think all religions are bullshit. Theists think all religions except for their's are bullshit. Agnostics can't decide which religion has the least bullshit.          
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| Setoshin | Jun 24 2009, 12:02 PM Post #94 |
 
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God can't be omnipotent, omniscient and all benevolent. It just doesn't make sense. Let's break it down: -Omnipotence: Relating to infinite power. -Omniscient: All knowing/everywhere. -Benevolent: Always does good. Now let's use the Abrahmic God (Christian, Judaic and Islamic God) as an example. Now I don't like to bring up the whole why does God allow suffering point, but it is not a weak argument depending on how your argue it. In fact, let me illustrate: If God is ALL KNOWING, then he knows that we all go through some shit at some point in our lives. If he's ALL POWERFUL then he has the power to stop this. If he's ALL BENIGN then he will always look out for our best interests and not want us to be unhappy. Now let's delve closer... Now some might say suffering is due to "original sin". Which is what the Catholics teach. Original sin was carried from Adam & Eve to everyone of us, so therefore bad things happen to us as a result of that. Now this explanation is bullshit. Now the Bible condemns those that punish others for an associated partner's wrong doings. I think it says : "Do not punish the son for the father's sins, and the father for the son's sins" I might be wrong, but I think it's in Deuteronomy in the Old Testament. Now how does this reconcile with original sin? Doesn't it seem unfair that we're being punished for the transgessions of our forefathers? Now what court would sentence a man based upon his father's mistakes? Original sin just doesn't add up. Okay now Christians often try to say that suffering is stemmed from "free will". So essentially bad things happen to us based upon our choices and the choices of others. Which I suppose holds up when examine a drug abuser who overdoses. It was HIS CHOICE. Or perhaps a female who gets sexually abused. It was the CHOICE of the offender. So slightly more valid that original sin, right? Not at all. This doesn't reconcile with the fact that a large proportion of suffering is not man-made. I mean tell the victims of Hurricane Katrina that it was their choice that their house was torn apart by the wind. Of course you could posit global warming as an increase. Which is quite a vague reason. But what about earthquakes, famine and cancer which can all stem from natural causes and negate freewill? But does not God have the POWER to stop this suffering? And he certainly knows about it, because He is OMNIPOTENT. And he MUST care because He is BENEVOLENT. So why let it happen? Of course you could argue that suffering makes us better people. Such as a test of virtue almost (see Job). One would argue why God can't just make us virtuous to begin with, which would solve part of the freewill problem? Nevertheless, this argument is weak. What about new born babies which die a week after birth? Have they been made more virtous? And what about those that PROFIT off from people's suffering such as dictators or owners of multinationals, who live relatively happy and carefree lifes? Why not test their virtue? Why do they die happy, but the poor starving Maliwian elderly lady dies unhappy just in order to test her mettel? Now the final argument that some Judeo-Christians propose is actually an argument from St. Augustine. He stated with regards to suffering "God works in mysterious ways. His wonders to perform". Now even my mother tells me this. But really it's just a concession of defeat. If you have to resort to saying "well you know, bad things happen and we don't really know the reason, it's kinda up to God" then that's an admission that you can't find any other rationale explanation why bad things happen. It's almost acknowledging the strengths of atheist arguments without diminishing faith in God. I mean God COULD exist. And he PROBABLY DOES in my opinion. But he must either be not all-powerful, not-all knowing or possibly not all good. Personality I think that God is distant and unconcerned for the most part with human life. Or alternatively he's not sentient, It's rather a life force which we MIGHT be able to tap into. Of course that's all speculation. |
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